Busted! When Planners Play the Bride…

It’s been an interesting few days around here at Sasha Souza Events…I’ve spent a few hours playing detective while also trying to get weddings implemented for the upcoming weekends.  While I love what I do for a living, there is one aspect of it that I do not love… and that’s dealing with potential information requests that are a waste of time.  Let me explain…

Today’s Sparkliatti Lesson is brought to you by the following New Client Inquiry we received on Monday, July 23.  As you may suspect, it’s not from a potential bride but instead is from a wedding planner who has recently started her own business.  Those of you who regularly read the blog know that we keep it very real around here… so this post isn’t meant to embarrass, but instead it’s meant to educate those of us who are new to the industry and serve as a reminder to those of us who have been “around the block”

There are many things wrong with this information request which is why we were suspicious from the beginning.  But, the first thing we do on all info requests is our initial research into who the client is and if the story seems to match up.  This is an easy Google search that anybody can do and we should all know by now that the internet is forever.  You put it out there, it’s on a server SOMEWHERE.  But in this case, we found information that she may be a planner who was working for a company that I’m familiar with, but we still didn’t know for sure, so we treated her just like a regular potential client.  In the initial phone call, Mellysa spent about 40 minutes on the phone with her taking copious notes about her wedding including that they were engaged for 2 years, she is in advertising and marketing in the medical field, her “fiance” is in college studying to be an electrical engineer (who we found by the way on the internet and currently is WORKING as an electrical engineer)…   Long story short, Mellysa sets up an appointment to talk to me so that we can try to figure out what is going on and either move forward with a new client or nip this behavior in the bud.

When I spoke to “T” two days later, I was still not 100% sold that she was not a planner.  The demeanor of the phone call was way off and in 2 years of being engaged she told me she had “never thought about her wedding.”  In fact, I spent much of the time talking and she didn’t ask many questions.  The information she gave me continued to be false:  her mother lives near Sonoma, They’re willing to now spend about $225k on the event for 100 guests…. she wants a relaxed, romantic, classic wedding….

The most maddening thing about this whole incident is that she never considered that she was actually wasting our time.  I spent about 40 minutes on the phone with her as well.  The cost to me and my business to respond to phony information requests is very real, here is what I figured:

Staff Time:  $55

Long Distance Phone Calls: $10.50

Time Discussing the Request:  $35

Internet Research:  $35

The cost to my company:  $135.00.  

This type of shopping behavior is both lying and thieving.  It takes time away from the clients who have already hired us which is very unfair to them as well.  We figure we respond and talk to about 5 of these per month at the minimum.  Just that alone would be $677.00 per month in lost productivity at the minimum.  There is no respect from the planners who do this for those that they are shopping because if there was, they would call them and ask them to share.  It’s then up to the planner to say YES or NO.  Their decision has essentially been stolen from them because they are being mislead and taken down a path that costs them money.

I’m not saying that we’ve been above reproach because there was a time in my career when we did the exact same thing.  But what I’ve learned is that by being a dishonest business person, I’m underserving myself and the people that I call my peers.  I’m showing them no respect, no honor and I’m completely destroying my career in the process.  So I stopped.  I started not caring what other people charged, how they charged and what they were making… I started not caring how many weddings they had vs. how many I had.  Because I knew that it was mostly puffed up numbers anyway.  I started focusing on me, my business and my bottom line….guess what happened?  I felt free.  Free to charge what I felt I was worth and free to talk about it.

If you’ve seen me at speaking engagements I’m very frank about HOW I charge.  Why?  Because it may or may  not apply to you.  WHAT I charge doesn’t matter because what I do for that money is unique to my business.  Clients hire us for what we have done, what they see on our site, and how we interact with them personally.  That can’t be replicated by calling us on the phone to shop us.

But let me WARN you that if you do continue to this you’re going to get caught.  Sooner or later.

As this posts today, I’ve scheduled another call with the planner because I am going to call her out… on the phone… in person.  I’m not going to send her an email.  But I will tell you how we actually “caught” her.

You see, she liked my business page on Facebook.  From there, I clicked on her profile but it was pretty locked down… except for her cover photos & her profile name which was her “fiance’s last name” followed by her last name – meaning that she had given us her maiden name as her fiance’s last name {are you still on my bus?}.  At first glance, I thought I was wrong because her cover photos are all NOTW biblical scriptures…but the last one was commented on by her “fiance” whose last name was actually the same as hers {ie her husband}.  So, I clicked on his page and recently he had “liked” her business page.  But because her name isn’t in it, we weren’t sure it was hers UNTIL the phone number matched the number she had given us.  But the final, final, final piece was the opening date of her business and her actual name….

case closed – you’re busted.  

If for some reason, anybody needs any CSI detective work done, let me know because I may have missed my calling in that area.  Again, I’m not trying to publicly flog them at all and I wholeheartedly disagree with anybody who does publicly humiliate others who do this so, I’ve taken out all identifying information but it should serve as an example to other industry professionals that THIS IS NOT RIGHT!  Don’t waste people’s valuable time with lies and deceit.  Just as an industry we’ve taken up the cause of “wedding month services” vs. “wedding day services”, I think it’s time that as an industry we stand up against this behavior and vow not to treat our peers with disrespect.  Whose with me??

To “T” and to “K” I hope you enjoyed the info I gave you…it really wasn’t worth anything because you’re not me  nor is it any big secret about how I structure my business pricing…there are also copious lists of what event designers “do” and how they charge on the internet.

This lesson ends with one of my favorite sayings that I use frequently is by Oscar Wilde.  It’s “Be Yourself.  Everybody Else Is Already Taken” – every planner who considers shopping the competition should have this poster above their phone.  Because maybe then they will consider being unique to their market, being themselves and not trying to be somebody else.  And remember the internet is FOREVER….

Oscar Wilde Quote

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32 comments

Doyin – Events by Doyin - Thanks for sharing this post. I guess this happens to everyone. I get emails all the time from brides who want me to send my pricing information without giving any information about themselves or their wedding. I respond asking for their phone number and if i don’t get any response, i ignore the email. There are better ways to get information than being shady. I’ve had new planners call to ask me about what to charge and i advice them and tell them how to do their research.

Brisbane Wedding Photographer | Matilda Beezley - Wow. Must say we get a few emails that are fishy and suspicious like this several times a week. It’s sad because we are usually so open with our pricing and how we operate. If someone new in the industry genuinely approaches us and asks for help, we are almost always happy to oblige. Wasting our working time and money is not on. Kudos for this post! Excellent work. :) (from all the way down under in Australia).

Tamiko - Wow Sasha, want a story!! I agree that it is not a good idea to pretend to be a bride for information. The reality is that there is enough business for everyone and as the quote you choose: just be yourself…So the best thing to do when starting out is check out the stats, get an idea of what is out there and then determine your pricing based on the value you offer instead of what your competitor is doing. I know sometimes as business owners there is the need to base pricing on what the market can bear and there is usually a client out there that can bear the price for the value that is offered.

Sandra – Wedding Handkerchiefs - LOVE! LOVE! I’ve had ‘competitors’ – I use that term loosely – e-mail and actually ask me where I get my hankies from because they have searched everywhere and can’t find anything like them. HELLO! That’s because I design them and and create them. They didn’t believe me. This particular lady couldn’t believe that I actually make my couture hankies. I guess if someone has never imagined, designed and then created something unique she couldn’t understand that. She keep e-mailing me over and over again. I thought – Give it a rest and get an original idea of your own. Thank you for keeping it real Sasha!

Monica Richard - Sasha ~ I’ve had a planner have her step daughter and fiance come into my office to obtain information and waste my time, and it’s like you say, only a matter of a bit of Nancy Drew work to uncover the truth. Sadly this planner wasn’t new, she just wanted to find out about her “competition.” Your quote by Oscar Wilde clearly didn’t resonate with her.

Thank you for using your international reputation to bring light to this unethical practice!

Maggie - When I first started out doing my business plan, I went around to other businesses to see what they offered. I didn’t take up any of their time and did a quick walk through. I did it because I wanted to make sure I was definitely offering a totally different service, which I did. I also didn’t present myself as a prospective bride. What people don’t realize is, that they can copy your old ideas as much as they want, but it doesnt’ make them an innovater. They won’t come up with my new ideas before I do them, which is why my customers come to me, because every year I’m different. Yes I do get inspiration from different designers and vendors, but I also get it from the world around me. I find that people who have to build their business that way, have no creativity of their own. I have now had 2 of my former employees open up businesses similair to mine. One came to me and asked for mentorship, which I gladly gave and the other didn’t. I respected the first for coming to me, and she is now doing well. The second did not.

Jim Cerone - If you are just starting out, join your professional organization (ABC, ISES, NACE), network, volunteer and you will find experienced successful business owners who are happy to share what they know to help you. Being “given” information is much different than “stealing” it. Best wishes – Jim Cerone, Wedding Entertainment Director

Lindsay - I completely 110% agree with this post. Kudos to you for putting it out there. It’s happened to all of us at some point or another OR like you said we might have done it in the beginning of our career. A few years ago when starting my business I offered to be an assistant first to other local coordinators or to pay them for “tutorials/mentorships”. I agree and believe that as an industry we should all stick together and “weed out” this behavior. Being a coordinator means that you have to think on your toes and be creative. The beauty of creativity is that its your OWN not someone else’s. Again, thank you for standing up for yourself and everyone else in this industry. Happy Planning!

Cherese - I applaud you for calling this event planner out. I had this happened to me and vowed never to give out too much information. However, I am now confident that you can ‘steal’ my info but you can never be ME!!!

Heather Gardner - Sasha, agree with you in that this type of shady practice should not be ignored. However, the lengths you went to determine the identity of the planner was a bit alarming to me. I wasn’t saying you should publicly denounce her, however coming from a seasoned planner such as yourself, I would’ve liked to see your latest designs or what’s up and coming for your business. I am a big fan of your work; I saw you when you came to Denver, and went to your speech at Wedding MBA last year in Vegas, and have always appreciated your candor. We’ll just agree to disagree. Best wishes to you – Heather

svsouza - Heather, thanks for your comment. First, I included the “detective work” in the cost on the blog post..and thankfully I’m a fast typer/writer so wrote this post in about 15 minutes.

We did nothing more than we normally do at first BUT because the name was somewhat generic, it would have been very rude and business suicide to call out somebody who was potentially a REAL client. So, we did our due diligence and researched more.

Why bring it up? Because it needs to be talked about and not shoved under the rug as something that “just happens” – by putting it out there in the open and telling people that they don’t HAVE to be this way, I see that I’m empowering them to think on their own. My 2c…

Brenda - I’m not a wedding planner but a travel agent (HM) and I would never do this to anyone in any type of business. This is so rude! I started wanting to be like my competition but then I realized that at the end of the day, we have different niches and I have nothing to be jealous about as I do not know exactly is she is making any money….just saying, keep it moving forward and don’t keep looking at your neighbor, you never know what they’re REALLY going through.

Heather Gardner - Great post but it’s sucky that you had to get consumed by this. I wonder though, how much did the detective work & the blog post cost you in productivity? Yes, people are shady – we are in a business where it’s easy for “newbies” to scheme and plot to get competitive intelligence. Comes with the territory. But we are not the only industry where this happens, so let’s acknowledge it and move on. If you really thought this prospective “client” was a planner, why did you go to extreme lengths to entertain the idea with her? Not trying to be snarky here so I apologize if it’s coming across that way. I guess I’m just tired of seasoned planners calling alarm to this – it’s not like this is the first time in mankind we have been been priced-shopped by a deceitful planner. Karma is a bitc* and this planner will have it come back to her ten-fold. Let’s focus on the positives of this industry instead of trying to call out somebody who may not even be here in a year.

Jacqueline Vazquez - Sasha, you Rock… I totally agree and actually use the same CSI process because my time is too valuable to waste. I also agree that some people spend too much time thinking about others business details instead of building a respectable business for themselves. Thank you for posting…

Shaunda - OHHHHHHHHH how I love this blog post!!!!! When I first started out I just asked if I could shadow… but was immediately turned away as if I was a threat of some kind. So I initially just jumped in and learned how to duck and dodge along the way! But this was a great blog girlie … thanx for posting…. now when are you going to start your CSI classes {wink}

Sasha Souza - Yes, I had a conversation with her this morning. At first she denied it but I had undeniable evidence in the form of a Facebook fan page with her phone number on it. She hung up on me but then called back. I read her the riot act, she apologized. I moved on… :)

Joellen Pope - Wow..I have NEVER called another planner and pretended to be a bride…..I charge what I charge and that’s it…do I network with others in my industry? Certainly, but there is etiquette that is to be followed and common sense!
Loved how you are going to handle it!!!

Best

Shelly Stone - Thank you so much Sasha for posting this! I’ve only been in business for 2 years and would NEVER NEVER NEVER think of doing this! I have been contacted by someone in my area that did try this though. The thing I was most upset about was the time it took away from me actually working for my brides. Again, thank you and … have you called them out on it yet? :) :)

Sally Laporta - This is CSI and MythBusters rolled into one! Your story was complex, but nevertheless an unfortunate incident that most likely goes with success. I’m not sure why people have to ‘feed’ off of the hard work of other people’s accomplishments. It’s amazing that you were able to see through this charade. We as vendors applaud your tenacity to do so, and share it with the rest of us. Thanks also to Andy Ebon (Captain of the Wedding Police) for posting this on the Wedding Police Facebook page. I am guessing Sasha, that you now will be promoted in the Wedding Police Force! Good work!

Sherries Pritchard - Thank you for posting this. I stand with applauses for you and your detective skills. I’ve never acted as a faux bride to learn anything from my competitors when I first started. I called them and introduced myself as a planner and requested the info they’d give to their prospective client. Honesty pays off 100% of the time. Just ask for what you need and the worse answer you’ll receive is a no. But you’ll have your respect, won’t have to back track your lies, and perhaps you’ll forge a great relationship in the interim. Sadly, this informative post will fall on blind eyes and hard headed planners who will continue to act with deceptive intentions, even go to lengths as to copy website content and photos from other planners. SMH.

Natalie - I had a chuckle at this. As a new wedding planner just comming into the business, maybe naive or just to honest, but I never would have even dreamed of doing this. What a waste of MY time. Why not just be honest, call you up, pay for your time if need be, and pick your brain. I’m sure this “bride” would have gotten more valuable information in a shorter amount of time then she did. Glad you nip this in the bud :)

Desiree - Thank you for this post, Sasha! I plan on sharing it with my incoming students because I’m steadfast in my wedding & event planning class about being honest in the business! Your post hit that dead on and I appreciate you for it. I’m a firm believe that using the word “competition” only stunts your growth. That is why I don’t use it. There are enough weddings for all of us :)

Shannon Baker - One of the first warnings we receive when taking professional courses to become a planner is NOT TO PRETEND TO BE A BRIDE! So it’s sad that this is probably another untrained professional that will make our jobs harder as trained and certified professionals. Not to mention doing that is just unethical. When I first started out I contacted several professionals and explained I was new to the industry and wanted to know if they would be wiling to provide guidance and pointers to help me avoid costly mistakes. That’s the professional way to do things. I’m sorry you get these people wasting your time and costing you money! I’ve had a few of these as well and it is irritating!

Yvette Sencion - Wow! Good job in finding out the truth and true intentions! It’s a great thing you put it out there, this needs to stop! I get that all the time and I always bust them! :)

Niki - Boom! Busted! Good for you!

Tami - CHEERS to you for this blog!!! This just recently happened to me and I too was pretty bothered by it. Thank you for addressing this. Respectfully -

Lori T. Brown - Wow! that is terrible!

Elaine Primus - I actually had a planner or planner assistant call me about an internship. After interviewing her, I quickly found out that she was shopping for information. I actually called her out doing the interview to let her know that I knew what she was doing. All she could do was just get up and leave. I guess we have something worth getting to know more about.

Tracy Solis - Thank you for this posting!! I am interested in becoming a planner and to be honest I never really thought about this point of view. Although I have never called a planner pretending to be a bride (only browsed websites for insight) I didn’t really think about it this way. I appreciate your honesty as it helps me in starting my own business and conducting myself in business. Thank you!

Heather Holliday - HERE HERE! We have been shopped so many times and it is maddening. It’s especially awkward when you are at a networking event and someone somehow knows everything about your business, down to the last time you updated your site. I get the need to do market research, but for the love of weddings, just call me! I’ll tell you how much I charge and why I’m worth every penny of it! Thanks for airing this out. I knew I couldn’t be the only one who was annoyed :-)

Larissa Banting - THANK YOU Sasha! In ten years of business here, I cannot begin to count how many times I’ve been shopped by other planners (after all, everyone wants to do destination weddings in Costa Rica and hey, how hard can it be?). It’s a waste of my and their time. Figure out what you need to charge to run your business on your own. Thanks for bringing this ugly little secret out into the open.

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